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The Prospector and Thunder Mountain News May 13, 1905

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The Prospector and Thunder Mountain News

Roosevelt, Idaho May 13, 1905 Volume 1 Number 22

Note: This issue is 4 pages “On account of the scarcity of paper.”

Which Way Will This Wagon Road Be Built?

Within a few days the State Road Commission will be in the field to examine the two different routes in to the Big creek country. First, they will look over the route from Warrens to the Big Creek Flats and then the route from the Big Creek Flats to the Johnson Creek Bridge. As one-half of the money to be spent for this road will come out of the people of the State, I believe it is right to call the commissioners and taxpayers attention to a number of reasons why this road should be built from the Johnson Creek Bridge to Big creek instead of by the way of Warrens.

This road is to be constructed for the purpose of opening up a mining country and should be built where it will benefit the greatest number of mine owners, prospectors, and the largest mining country. This one reason alone should be sufficient to build the road from the Johnson Creek Bridge down Johnson creek up the East Fork, up Quartz and Profile creeks divide, through Profile gap at the head of Big creek and from the gap down Big creek to the mouth of Smith creek as against the route from Warrens. On this route the traveler would never be out of sight of prospects or mines, a number of which it would cross. It would also make access to the Sugar creek, Logan creek, Parks creek, Government creek and upper East Fork mining properties easy.

On the other hand, the first 25 miles of road via Warrens, Poney creek, South Fork, Elk creek, and Smith creek as so far known has failed to show mines or a mineralized country sufficient to justify the spending of State money at the present time. The distance from Warrens to the Big Creek Flats is approximately 43 miles, the distance from Johnson Creek Bridge to the Big Creek Flats is approximately 38 miles and to the Werdenhoff mine 48 miles.

For the benefit of the reader I will give the approximate distances on the two routes, highest elevations and lowest depressions. The elevation at Warrens is 6400 feet, at Poney creek summit 7200 feet, distance about four miles, road grade 200 feet to the mile. Elevation at South Fork of Salmon river 3400 feet, distance from Poney creek summit eight miles, road grade 475 feet to the mile. Elevation, Elk creek summit 9400 feet, distance from South Fork about fourteen miles, road grade 440 to the mile. Elevation, lower cabins at Wordenhoff [sic] mine 5800 feet, distance about six miles from Elk creek summit, road grade 600 feet to the mile. Elevation at mouth of Smith creek 5000 feet, distance from Werdenhoff cabins about six miles, road grade 130 feet to the mile. Elevation, Big Creek Flats 5500 feet, distance from the mouth of Smith creek seven miles, road grade 115 ft. to the mile.

The elevations on the route via Johnson Creek Bridge, distances and lowest depressions, are as follows: Elevation, Johnson Creek Bridge 5300 feet, Yellow Pine Basin 4300 feet, distance about eleven miles, road grade 90 feet to the mile. Elevation, mouth of Profile creek 5400 feet, distance about eight miles, road grade 140 feet to the mile. Elevation, Profile gap 7800 feet, distance about eight miles, road grade 300 feet to the mile. Elevation, Big Creek Flats 5500 feet, distance about eight miles, road grade 285 feet to the mile. Elevation, mouth of Smith creek 5000 feet, distance about seven miles road grade 75 Feet to the mile. Elevation, lower cabins Werdenhoff mine 5800 feet, distance about six miles, road grade 115 feet to the mile. The elevations, distances, and road grades are a self explanatory reason why the road via Johnson creek is the more practicable one of the two. The impracticability of keeping a divide open in winter at an elevation of 9400 feet as against 1600 feet lower should condemn the route via Warren alone.

The miners of Yellow Pine Basin will build the eleven miles of road from Johnson Creek Bridge to the Basin independent of State aid, and if the road is built that way will finish it at once, so it will not interfere with the rest of the work. The voluntarily completion of this eleven miles of work should cut quite a figure with the people interested in this road. Messrs. A. C. Behne, Chas. Werdenhoff and Kit Chitwood are ready at any time to show the Road Commission the best practicable route via Johnson Creek Bridge.

This road effects the future interests of a large section of the country and should be built over the best route, irrespective of other considerations.

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Geo. W. Bruce, returned to town last Monday, after a two months visit. with his family in Boise. Mr. Bruce says business is rather dull in Boise this spring and that every one has the Tonapah fever. He was well pleased to here [sic] of the strike in the Monte Christo as he is a large owner in that property. Every one in Roosevelt gave Mr. Bruce a welcome home.
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19050513Pg1-txt1headline2The Profile Copper Belt.

This copper bearing zone, as so far known, is about four miles in length. It first shows itself about five miles above the mouth of Profile creek, on the west mountain slope of Profile canyon and ends on the head of Big Creek, running northwest and southeast.

The country rock is a very hard gray syenite granite, in which masses of quartzite occur. The filling of the copper bearing zone is a gray phonolite porphyry, in this filling the ores occur in irregular masses. The ores are the chalco pyrite of copper, arsenate of copper, and the red oxide of copper. These ore veins are evidently of igneous origin. The ores average four to twelve per cent. copper, five to thirty dollars gold and from a trace to twenty ounces in silver.

Torn Ryan, of Pearl, owns the first group of claims on this belt, above the mouth of Profile. Mr. Ryan has worked on this ground the last four years, each summer five or six months, and has showed up the ground to excellent advantage and has some fine bodies of ore in sight. In one drift forty feet long the vein is from three to [eight feet wide and … $?] (page torn) per ton in copper, gold and silver.

The next group above this is the Hyier and Duglass ground, here the owners get some high assays as high as $150 gold and 30 per cent. copper.

Missouri George owns the ground next above the Hyier and Duglass group, here some fine bodies of copper show on the surface, and where one of them is cut by a tunnel at a depth of probably 40 feet. I understand the ore assays well in copper and gold. About one mile above the Missouri George ground Alex Hurdle has done quite a lot of work on this belt and has some fine showings.

East of these two groups and paralleling them, Curley Brewer, George Brewer, Hank Babindorf and Cash Macey own seven claims. A surface cut exposes twenty feet of fine ore in place, averaging 4 per cent copper, $7 gold and 5 ounces silver.

Adjoining the Brewer and associates property Joe Davis and Nate Earl own four claims. An ore shoot on this ground two feet in width returns the following values: Average assay $30 gold, 6 per cent. copper and 9 ounces silver. Picked samples run from $20 in gold to $150 in gold, from 9 per cent. copper to 40 per cent. copper, and from 15 ounces silver to 40 ounces silver. This shoot has been fairly well prospected on and near the surface.

The Hurdle ground is bounded on the northwest by the eight claims owned by the Camp Fire Mining Company. These claims are situated on Profile ridge and the head of Big creek. Ward Robinson and Amos Grinell did quite a lot of work for this company last fall on this ground. Mr. Grinell says that the showings are good for the money spent — lots of ore in sight, but he does not know what it assays.

A mining field of this character ought to present itself to the conservative capitalist as a safe one to put money into. A number of these properties are good mining propositions.

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19050513Pg2-txt1headline1A Daily Mail Service.

A daily mail for the people of this town and the surrounding country will be an imperitive [sic] necessity the coming summer. From twelve to fifteen hundred people will get mail through the Roosevelt postoffice in the course of a couple of months. A petition to the postal department asking for a daily mail service will be circulated in a few days and should receive the signature of every one in the camp.
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19050513Pg2-txt1headline2How True This Is.

The NEWS quotes the following from an exchange and says that this voices its sentiments in regard to some people in this town:

“There are people in every community who get their living off the community and never invest a dollar to improve the town They never do anything to help the town, but are always ready to slander and abuse the place and the people. If the town is not what you want it to be, go to work and make it better. If it is not what you would have it, what have you done to make it any better? Ask yourself these plain questions, and if the town is no good why don’t you leave it? This [is a free country and walking is] good, besides, you wouldn’t be missed.”

That, this office has received no exchanges for five weeks. That, this works a hardship on the editor and regular exchange readers. That, the new mail contractor, A. W. Ostner, has placed 16 horses and four men on the route between this place and Thunder City and that, we know Al will give us regular mail if men, money and horses can do the work. That, this office is equipped with one piece of a school dictionary, one last years almanac; and one Edison’s Hand Encyclodaedia [sic] and that, the same will not be loaned.

Our supplies shipped two months ago has failed to arrive. That, quite a number of men have come to town the last two weeks who haven’t gone to work yet. That, there will be lots of work here as soon as supplies and accommodations can be had on the ground at a number of the mines. That we advise workingmen at this time on the outside to come prepared to stay in town a couple of weeks and be able to pay their expenses. That, there is always room for a few first-class miners. That, every prospector is expected to visit this office when in town and tell us what is going on in the hills.
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C. L. Danforth is in from Ramey Ridge for a few days. Mr. Danforth is a partner of T. G. Thomas in several mining claims on the East arm of Ramey Ridge and says that they have a new cabin nearly completed and expects to put in the summer and winter in development work. He will return with L. A. Wayland, who will take him over a lot of provisions on his way out to meet Nash Wayland with the loaded pack train.
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19050513Pg5-txt1headline1Indian Creek.

W. J. Burke is putting up a 16×36 stable at the Trappers Flat station. His station is one of the best on the line.

Dave Diamond had “bar meat” on the bill of fare at his hostelry the last week. The best to be had is none to good for the boys when they stop at Daves.

W. R. Polson, of the Summit House is getting out logs and lumber for his new hotel. Mr. Polson will have everything necessary for the accommodation of the traveler in a short time — including a fine stock of liquors and cigars.

At the Monte Christo, foreman John Enibo is cutting a working station, from which a raise is to be put through to the surface. This work is being done on the last vein cut. The vein was found to be six feet wide, and the ore is of a good grade.

J. B. Randell, of Roosevelt, has let a contract to Jim Pierce for an 18×30 foot building to be put up at the road crossing on Reardon creek. Jim is now at work getting out logs for the same. When finished it will be used for hotel and store purposes.

Blackburn and Allison are driving a forty foot crosscut on the Alliance, when the vein is cut they will drift on it. They are doing this work about eight hundred feet south of where the big strike was made last winter. The vein shows another ore shoot on the surface at this point.
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19050513Pg5-txt1headline2Sunshine Mine.

M. B. Merritt returned to Roosevelt last Saturday after few months absence at the Sunshine mine on Johnson creek, which is owned by the Spears American Exchange. He speaks well of the property for the amount of work that has been done. He says that when the tunnel was in 120 feet that they crosscut a ledge 18 feet wide which averaged $5 per ton. The tunnel is now in 235 or 240 feet, and they have been in ore for 35 or 40 feet, and of which they are still in, that looks better than the first found.

Mr. Merritt says that A. C. Behne, the deputy recorder at Morrison is putting up a good sized building to be used as a recorders office, postoffice and store. Mr. Behne aims to carry a good stock of goods which will be a great accommodation to that part of the country.

Mr. Merritt left the first of the week for the Middle Fork to get his horses and will leave in a few days for Ramey Ridge where he will go to work on the Florence group. Jack Cassell, his partner, will join him in about a month. Out of thirteen assays on this property they gave an average of $30 per ton for 600 feet and the ledge can be traced for 2500 feet.
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Henry Huck returned from Ramey Ridge Tuesday where he has been on a business trip.

Thompson & Cronin opened up their stand on the H. Y. and Standard road the first of the week. They are both good fellows and carry a fine stock of cigars, wines and liquors. This will give them their share of the trade.
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Billy Pyles returned from Boise Tuesday.

James McAndrews is at Knox on a business trip.

Meals at The Amusement Hall lunch counter 50 cents.

E. H. Bish has commenced annual assessment work on his Trap creek claims.

S. A. Kimmell came in from Reno, Nev., Tuesday and will spend the summer in this section.

Jim Herron says that Salmon are now in full run on the Middle Fork and that trout fishing is good.

James LeRoy gave a turkey dinner last Monday at the opening the LeRoy cafe. All the boys got a bid.

Ed. Thornton, of Johnson creek arrived in town yesterday and says the two men lost on Reardon creek are alight.

Those knowing themselves in debt to the firm of Dorsey & Shaneour, also to Jones & Shaneour, will call at Dock Jones’ saloon, pay the same, and be receipted in full. C. T. Jones.

On account of the scarcity of paper the THE NEWS is compelled to run only four pages for a month or so. We find that this sized sheet is about five columns too small for our news and ads.

Peter Johnson and Olaf Hagberg are cutting logs for a building 22×30 feet to be erected opposite the Lisenby Hotel, and as soon as a team can be had to draw the logs they will commence the construction.

For a good 50c meal go to the Amusement Hall Lunch Counter.

Elias Wertz, of Nashville, Mich., a brother of John Wertz, arrived in Roosevelt last Wednesday. He is pleased with this camp and intends to stay here for sometime. This is the first time these brothers have met in eight years.

James Tappin came up from the Middle Fork last Sunday with six horses partly loaded with potatoes. He brought all the “spuds” that could be spared from that section and they brought 12 1/2 cents per pound. Mr. Tappin started back the same day.

John Cameron, an old timer in the Thunder Mountain country, returned to this place Thursday with a prospecting outfit. He will stay in camp a couple of months and then go to Wilson creek to work with his brother, Angus Cameron, who owns property there. Mr. Cameron, Joe Surprise and L. A. Robinson traveled together from Boise to Roosevelt. Joe says that Pat O’Donnell is getting along alright.

E. L. Abbott, superintendent of the Sunnyside mine gave THE NEWS office a call Thursday evening and informed us that he had sent in his resignation as superintendent to the company to take effect June 1 and not later than the 15. Mr. Abbott has been with this company for the last three years and has at last succeeded in seeing his long looked for efforts rewarded by the mill working in first-class order and the mine in excellent physical condition. Mr Abbott has had more men under his charge in this section than all the rest of the mines combined and he has shown unusual ability in handling them. Mr. Abbott has not sent in his resignation on account of the mine not being a good one. He says the ore is there to show for itself and he is ready to show it to any one who doubts this. While this company loses a good man at the head of their affairs the many friends of Mr. Abbott will be glad to know that he is not going to quit the country. He will go on the outside for a couple of months vacation and then he will return to Roosevelt as he has the greatest confidence in the camp.

Jack Cassell and Geo. Sheppard left Monday for Grayhound Mountain on a prospecting trip and to do work on their ground.

J. C. Wagner, formerly foreman at the Sunnyside, who has been East on a couple of months vacation, returned to town Monday in company with Geo. W. Bruce, and proceeded to the mine Tuesday morning. While East Mr. Wagner promised the H. Y. -Climax people that if it was satisfactory with E. L. Abbott he would take the superintendency of their mine, which was mutually agreed to and he took up his new position Thursday as superintendent. Mr. Wagner has been with the Sunnyside company for two years and Mr. Abbott is sorry to lose him and says he is a first class man for that position and will will make this a paying mine. Mr. Wagner is familiar with the lay of the ores on Thunder Mountain and has an advantage over a stranger. He will put on a few men immediately and start things moving.
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19050513Pg6-txt1headline220th Century.

On the Empire Tunnel the company is working two shifts. They expect to reach the ledge in about 600 feet.

The sawmill is running full time and turning out timbers and lumber fur the stamp mill and other buildings.

Englebright and Hagberg, contractors on the Toltac tunnel, are pushing the work right along as they know how to do it.

John Snyder and Ole Jacobson have the contract for building a large stable and wagon shed for the company. They are both old timbermen.

Dorsey, Roe and Beek, contractors on the Blue Point tunnel, report that they are getting along fine and breaking from three to four feet a day.

Collins, Huck and Bender have just completed forty feet of work in the Central Tunnel No. 1. The company expects to drive this tunnel 800 hundred feet this spring and connect Central Tunnel No. 2 with No. 1, which will be about 1400 feet in length.
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Other Newspapers


Elk City mining News., May 13, 1905, Page 8

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To Inspect Warren-Big Creek Road

Correspondence to the Statesman from Weiser, dated May 7th, states, “Messrs. Wheeler and Lewis of the state road commission left here yesterday morning for Warren on a tour of inspection of the Warren-Big Creek road to Thunder Mountain. They were accompanied b Civil Engineer Luck of this city.”

Long Valley Advocate., May 11, 1905, Page 1

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Boise, Idaho, May 7. – State Wagon Road Commissioners M. E. Lewis and Joe Wheeler left Saturday from Weiser for the Salmon River country. It was the intention of the commissioner to follow the Little Salmon down to Goff, where the Big Salmon will be struck. They will then follow up the main Salmon on the line of proposed Thunder Mountain trail. After a thorough inspection of this trail, the commission will proceed to Gig Creek mining district, and make a careful inspection of the proposed road from there to Warrens, where a state wagon road will be struck. This is one of the roads that it is generally supposed that the commission will decide on building, if the proposed route proves feasible. There seems to be little doubt of this latter fact.

The Idaho Republican. Blackfoot, Idaho, May 12, 1905, Page 4

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Capital News says one of the most important deals for central Idaho was completed in Now York City a few days ago, when the Pacific Idaho Northern railroad was sold by Mr. Hall to Lewis C. Van Riper and associates. The price paid has not yet been given out.

News of this important transaction was brought to Boise yesterday by J. B. Randall of Roosevelt, who had just returned from Now York City. Speaking of the transfer Mr. Randall said he met Van Riper in his office in New York a week ago last Sunday, when Mr. Van Riper told him the matter had been closed and purchase money paid over. He said the road would be turned over to the new owners June 1.

As to extensions, Mr. Van Riper said the road would be extended from Council to Meadows this season, as the grading is nearly all done between those two points. If possible, he added, the road will be continued on to Payette lake during the fall. Here will be the terminus of the standard gauge. “It is our intention,” Mr. Van Riper said, “to build a narrow gauge road from Payette lake into the Thunder Mountain country, opening up the Big creek section as well as that part of the district about Roosevelt.

“Those extensions were definitely agreed upon before the line was purchased, for without them,” Mr. Van Riper said, “the road would be worth no more to his people than it was to Hill.”

He anticipated remarkable development of the great mineral wealth of that section as soon as they could get in with the road.

This is Mr. Randall’s second trip to New York City this winter, and he will leave in a few days for Roosevelt. He will be accompanied by Mrs. Randall who has been spending the winter in Boise.

According to private information given to the Signal reporter yesterday morning, the above report has good foundation.

It has been known here for some time past that negotiations were going on for the purchase of the road, but not until a few days ago was it learned that the deal was about to be closed.

It was also known that General Manager Heigho, passed through here a few days ago enroute to Portland on some important and secret mission and returned home yesterday.

It is rumored that the road was bought by the Great Northern, Jim Hill’s line, and is to be a part of his proposed Butte-San Francisco road, it is known that he is anxious to reach a California seaport.

The Weiser Semi-Weekly Signal., May 13, 1905, Page 1

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The Silver Messenger, Challis, Idaho, May 16, 1905, page 8

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The Silver Messenger, Challis, Idaho, May 16, 1905, page 5

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Mining Fake Again Exposed.

The Daily Mining Record, published at Denver, recently exposed an Idaho mining fake, which, however, still continues to operate and deceive the eastern investor. Is a later issue, the Record says:

The unearthing of the fake mining camp of “Hallis” in Idaho — a service performed for the mining interests of that state by the Record two weeks ago — has attracted a great deal of attention in the northwest. The Spokane Chronicle, for example, announces that it has searched that town for facts concerning “Hallis,” but it has been unable to locate it. The editor of the Thunder Mountain News has advised us that there is no such town in Idaho, and he ought to know, because the “Hallis Weekly Messenger” — the most interesting fake newspaper we have ever seen — pretends that the imaginary town of “Hallis” belongs to that region.

The Record took a little secret delight two weeks ago in throwing just the shadow of a doubt over the existence of such a town as “Hallis,” because it wanted some of its contemporaries to go on a still hunt for the town. The fact that they have done so and learned that the name “Hallis” was invented by a Boston mining stock swindler makes the facts In this astounding case all the more impressive for them. The publisher of a legitimate mining camp newspaper is not apt to regard as a joke the invention of a camp name to be used as the cover for a fake mining stock dodger.

The Record asked the Inter Trust Security company, of Boston, to tell what it knew about the fake camp of “Hallis,” and the so-called “Weekly Messenger,” “the only paper on the Salmon river,” which has been represented as the democratic organ of the fake town. Thus far that outfit has not replied. Inasmuch as the stocks floated by the Inter Trust Security company and its officers, appear to have derived the only benefit possible from the fake “Weekly Messenger,” the Record expresses its sentiments concerning the origin of the swindle by branding a batch of these stocks as fakes. They will henceforth be carried In the list of “insipids,” properly classified. The said companies are:

The Liberty Bell Gold Mining company.
The Fair Gold Mines company.
The Investors Gold Mines company.
The Victoria Gold Mines company.
The American Gold Mines company.

There is one phase of this incident that the Record had not noticed before — namely, the fact that a weekly newspaper known as the Silver Messenger is published at Challis, Idaho. We have formerly said that the fake town of “Hallis” which we desired to have located was not to be confused with the name Challis, because the fake newspaper bearing the name “Weekly Messenger” repeats the name “Hallis” so often in its news and advertising columns that it is impossible to doubt the dishonest intention of its publisher — whoever and wherever the latter may be.

But the discovery that the name of Challis has been imitated, also the name of the Challis Silver Messenger, leads to the further discovery that certain of the advertisements in the columns of the “Hallis” paper have been borrowed from the Challis publication, the letter “C” being scratched off in every case whore the name of the town is used.

Thus ends the story of the fake mining camp in Idaho, the tows of “Hallis,” the thriving metropolis without a postoffice. The sequel will appear when the postal inspectors of Boston are heard from.

The Owyhee Nugget, Silver City, Idaho, May 19, 1905, page 1

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