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Road Report Nov 22

Note: Be prepared for winter driving this time of year, road conditions change quickly. Be prepared for snow at high elevations and rocks/trees falling in the road. Please share road reports.

Yellow Pine: Our snow continues to melt with rainfall and warmer temps, average 1/2″ on the ground, but deeper in the shade, and bare ground under trees. Quite foggy at times in the last 24 hours. The streets are a mix of bare to ice and slush. Click for Local Forecast

Warm Lake Highway: Big Creek Summit snowtel shows 31″ of snow. Report Nov 22, Highway is mostly bare, some ice and snow on the Cascade side of the summit. Also icy in the shady spots.
Big Creek Summit SNOTEL station 6580′

South Fork Road: Report Nov 22, bare pavement, ice in shady spots up high, rocks coming down (had to stop 3x today to move rocks.)

EFSF Road: Report Nov 22, bare road from So Fork to Eiguren Ranch, then snow/ice floor to Yellow Pine. Rocks coming down (some large boulders moved Monday). The pot holes are getting pretty bad on this upper end of the road.

Johnson Creek Road: Upper end closed at Landmark to wheeled vehicles for the winter. Lower Johnson Creek road was reported “terrible” on Nov 15. Pot holes and snow.
Johnson Creek Airstrip Webcam:
The elevation at Landmark is 6,630 feet

Lick Creek: More than likely closed for winter to wheeled vehicles. Guessing there is over 2 feet of snow now. A report from Saturday (Nov 4) “Lick Creek summit was not passable today. Already 16 inches of snow on the flat before reaching the pass.” – J&N B

Note: Lick Creek Summit has an elevation of 6,877 feet

Profile Creek Road: Current condition unknown. More than likely closed for winter to wheeled vehicles. Probably over 2 feet of snow at the summit by now.
Note: The elevation at Profile summit is 7607 feet.

Yellow Pine to Stibnite: (Nov 21) Open, chains advised.

Stibnite to Thunder Mountain: Closed at Monumental summit with snow. Truck reported to be stuck for the winter on the other side.
Note: The elevation at Monumental Summit is 8590 feet.

Big Creek to Elk Summit to Warrens Road: Closed. This is the road that goes from Big Creek/Edwardsburg up over Elk Summer, down to the South Fork of the Salmon River by Trails End Subdivision, then over to Warrens. The current status on this road is unknown. Elk summit is snowed closed by now.
Note: Elk Summit is at an elevation of nearly 9000 feet.
Big Creek Webcam:

Report from Burgdorf Hot Springs Saturday (Nov 11) “Weekend Road Update: It’s a tough go up to the summit, according to the latest folks to make it up to Burgdorf. Since some folks have had to turn around because of the conditions, CHAINS or equivelant seem essential! A big thanks to everyone who have made the attempt to come up.”

Deadwood Summit: No current report. Deadwood snotel showing 43″ of snow.
Note: The Approx Elevation at Deadwood Summit is 6,883 feet (2,098 m)
Deadwood Summit SNOTEL station 6860′

Golden Gate Road: Closed.

Sugar Creek Road: Closed.


Nov 19, 2017 The Yellow Pine Times

Nov 19, 2017 The Yellow Pine Times – Valley County, Idaho

Note: Last chance to order the 2018 Calendar, deadline Monday November 20th 1159pm. Send email with “2018 Calendar” in the subject line, please include name, address and number wanted. We can mail gifts for you! Thanks for your support.

Village News:

Reports from last Sunday

“Reports of a small cougar around [upper] side of town; locals out for a walk came across about thirty elk close to town.”

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Hunter’s Missing Rope

Looking for a 5/8th inch climbing rope that is white with a green stripe that was stretched across the river from the Yellow Pine Campground by the concrete bridge to the other side. of the river. It was removed while we were hunting on the far side. If you or someone know of it’s whereabouts, please leave it at the Yellow Pine Tavern for us. Thank You.
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Mail Days M-W-F

Starting November 1st, the mail is being delivered 3 days a week.
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The Corner

The Corner is closed for the season. Stop by if you need wood permits. We will reopen after we have the baby.

Thanksgiving potluck will be held at The Corner 4pm November 23rd. Please call Heather at the Corner 208 633-3325 for items to bring.

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Yellow Pine Tavern

Winter hours currently will be: 9am to 8pm daily

Christmas potluck will be at the Tavern. Look for further updates on the time and what the Tavern will be providing.

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Diamond (Kennedy) Fuel & Feed


We will now be carrying wood pellets, so if you or someone you know up there burns pellets we will have some in stock by Thursday night. We will also order 1 ton pallets if there is an interest. No delivery to YP at this time, but folks can come pick up themselves.

Also, current price on the wood pellets are $5.99/ 50 lb. bag or $250 for a bulk order of 50 bags (1 ton). The brand is Purcell which is rated just as good if not better than the North Idaho Brand. It is made and sold by the same manufacture. Chris Gurney, the new owner here, said next summer he would be willing to deliver 1 ton bulk orders to YP if there are enough interested. Current prices may change by then of course.
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Bear Aware

It is probably safe to put bird feeders back out. Bears in our area usually hibernate by Halloween per our local F&G office.
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YPFD News:

There are YPFD T-shirts, as well as YPFD patches and stickers for sale at the Tavern now.

Training will resume in the spring.
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VYPA News:

Next meeting June 2018
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Fall Rx Burns planned

Cascade Ranger District: Slash piles will be ignited in the following locations: Warm Lake, Yellow pine, Landmark and Crawford. It will be pile burning for two days.

The Krassel Ranger District plans to ignite 1,600 acres in the Fourmile drainage, and 2,000 acres in the Bald Hill project area.
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Local Observations:

Monday (Nov 13) overnight low of 25 degrees, frost melting with sunrise. About 2.5″ old snow on the ground, very hard and dense, patches of open ground under the trees. Heard a red-breasted nuthatch. Cloudy before lunch time. Cloudy and breezy early afternoon, “snow-eater” wind, high of 50 degrees. Started to sprinkle just before 5pm, showers on and off continued after dark. Raining pretty good around midnight.

Tuesday (Nov 14) skiff of snow fell early morning, overnight low of 32 degrees. Partly clear and light breeze this morning. Flock of pine-siskins showed up. Mostly cloudy during the day with outbreaks of sunshine once in a while, light chilly breeze, high of 42 degrees. A little bit of “human activity” today. Sky clearing just before dark and temperature dropping quickly.

Wednesday (Nov 15) overnight low of 20 degrees, high thin clouds. Mail truck made it in on time. Dark clouds came in from the south early afternoon and breezy, high of 46 degrees. Rain started just before 9pm and getting windy. Rain pounded down during the night and gusty wind.

Thursday (Nov 16) probably did not get below freezing overnight, rain melted a lot of the snow on the ground, patchy snow cover this morning and rain/snow mix falling for a while, then rain, sometimes snow, then rain, high of 35 degrees. Airplane flew over at 414pm in the storm. Misty drizzle at dark. Heavy snow during the night.

Friday (Nov 17) overnight low of 24 degrees, 4″ of new snow on the ground this morning, partly clear and light breeze. Trees dropping snow bombs out in the forest. Heard little birds calling (not sure if juncos or pine-siskins.) Internet and long distance phone out around 1115am, for less than 15 minutes. Couple of little snow flurries during the day, no accumulation, warm enough to melt some snow, high of 38 degrees. Clearing off at dark and temperature dropping, cold light breeze.

Saturday (Nov 18) overnight low of 14 degrees, 2″ of old snow on the ground this morning, high hazy clouds, filtered sun and slight cold breeze. Watched 2 stellar jays looking through old pine cones for seeds. Partly cloudy and warmed up enough to melt a little snow this afternoon, high of 40 degrees. Clear and temperature dropping fast just before dark.

Sunday (Nov 19) overnight low of 13 degrees, 1-2″ of old snow remaining with a few bare patches, nearly clear sky. Heard a stellar’s jay calling. Sunshine and bright snow, frost starting to melt from the strength of the sun even tho it is still below freezing. Internet connection a little “iffy” around 1230pm. High hazy clouds early afternoon and a very noticeable chilly light breeze, high of 40 degrees. Overcast at dark, dropping below freezing.


Jim Ed Biggers

Biggers, Jim Ed, 58, passed away Saturday, November 11, 2017 at a local hospital. Arrangements have been entrusted to All Valley Cremation, 1538 11th Avenue North in Nampa.

Published in Idaho Statesman on Nov. 14, 2017
[h/t L and B]
Note” “Little” Jimmy Biggers lived in Yellow Pine.

Scam Alerts:

New Scam, Claiming to Be One of Our Deputies

The Valley County Sheriff’s Office dispatch has received two calls today from McCall citizens, claiming that they are Lt. Jason Speer and there is a warrant out for their arrest for failing to report for jury duty. THIS IS A SCAM!! They then want you to go to the store and get a visa gift card to pay them money. We understand that most people will know it’s a scam, unfortunately there are some that may fall prey to this type of call. It happens a lot.

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY. Please contact the Valley County Sheriff’s Office dispatch at 208-382-5160 if you have any questions.

source: The Valley County Sheriff’s Office Facebook page
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Boise woman targeted by phone scam: ‘I want to get this story out’

by Alexis Goree Tuesday, November 14th 2017

Boise, Idaho (KBOI) — Loretta Reed believed she was careful when answering calls from strange numbers. But last week she got a call from someone claiming to be her grandson, Evan, and she fell for it.

“As I go back and think about it I said, oh Evan what is wrong, and then out came this story”

He told her he was sick and asked a friend to drive him to get medicine when they got stopped by police and drugs were found in the car. A so-called Sergeant Clark from the Nampa Police Department said she needed $4,000 to bail him out.

“I followed this so-called Sergeant Clark’s instructions to go to my bank, withdraw $4,000 and go to Target and buy eight $500 gift cards.”


Idaho News:

School bus slides off road south of Cascade

KTVB November 16, 2017

(Photo: Cascade Fire Protection District)

Cascade, Idaho — Several children suffered minor injuries when their school bus slid off the road Thursday morning.

The incident happened on Thunder City Road in a rural area south of Cascade.

According to the Cascade Fire Protection District, the bus driver drifted too far onto the soft shoulder of the dirt road, causing the bus to slide off into a ditch. It was left tilted at an precarious angle, but did not completely roll.

Twelve children were on board the bus at the time, ranging from elementary-aged students to junior high. No one was seriously hurt, although several students suffered scrapes, scratches or bruises, according to first responders.

The bus was driving slowly when the slide-off occurred, according to the Cascade Fire Protection District. The district sent out a second bus to bring the children to school.

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Three-car crash on Idaho 55 injures California man

The Star-News November 16, 2017

A California man was injured last Thursday in a three-vehicle accident on Idaho 55 near Fairbrother Lane south of McCall, the Idaho State Police reported.

Richard Scott, 69, of Sacramento, Calif., was taken by ambulance to St. Luke’s McCall after the accident, which happened about 8:09 p.m. last Thursday, the ISP reported. Scott’s condition was not available.

Scott was driving north when he lost control of his pickup, crossed the center line, and went into a broad slide.

Kathryn Thier, 35, of McCall, was driving her car south and drove off the left shoulder and into a ditch to avoid colliding with Scott’s vehicle.

Dean Neptune, 24, of Nampa, was driving a commercial box truck behind Thier and struck Scott’s pickup. All occupants were wearing seat belts, the ISP reported.

The section of Idaho 55 where the accident occurred was closed for about two hours until the scene could be cleared. The crash remained under investigation this week.

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Cascade Legion post to host free Thanksgiving Day dinner

The Star-News November 16, 2017

The Cascade American Legion Post 60 and Auxiliary will host a traditional Turkey Day feast on Thanksgiving, Thursday, Nov. 23, at 1 p.m.

American Legion members will provide the turkey and the trimmings for the free community event, and local churches and other volunteers will bring assorted pies and desserts.

The dinner will be held at the Cascade American Legion hall, 105 E. Mill St.

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2018 Winter Carnival theme: There’s ‘Snow’ Place Like Home

The Star-News November 16, 2017

“There’s ‘Snow’ Place Like Home” is the theme of the 2018 McCall Winter Carnival, the McCall Area Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Bureau announced.

“In deciding this year’s theme we really wanted to capture what makes living in McCall so special,” carnival Chair McKenzie Kraemer said.

“Home means so many things to so many different people and we are excited to see what this theme inspires,” Kraemer said.

Plans for the 2018 carnival, to be held Jan. 26 through Feb. 4, include traditional events like fireworks, the Mardi Gras Parade and snow sculptures along with a few new events.

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$1,150 grant awarded for blinds at historic NM depot

The Star-News November 16, 2017

The Adams County Historical Society has been awarded a $1,150 matching grant from the Idaho State Historical Society.

The grant funds will be used to purchase UV protection blinds to be installed in the President’s Room of the Pacific and Idaho Northern Railway Depot in New Meadows.

The blinds will help protect photos, documents and woodwork in the room from damaging sunlight while items are being documented cataloged and inventoried.

The same type of blind was previously installed in the Lobby, Ticket Agent’s Office and Ladies Waiting Room for the same reasons. The historical society will match the grant with volunteer time by professionals.


Idaho History:

Idaho Pen Turkey Flock 1924

Source: Original 1924 Nature Magazine from JTR Collection
courtesy John T. Richards – Idaho History 1860s to 1960s

Public Lands:

National forests to start selling Christmas tree permits Saturday

The Star-News November 16, 2017

Boise and Payette National Forest vendors will begin selling Christmas tree permits on Saturday.

This year, fourth-graders can receive a free permit through the “Every Kid in a Park” program.

Fourth-graders will receive a voucher for one free Christmas tree permit when they register for the “Every Kid in a Park” initiative at

The fourth-graders and a parent must redeem the voucher at a Forest Service office, as commercial vendors will not accept the vouchers. Free Christmas tree permits cannot be sent electronically or through the mail.

Permits for sale to the general public will be available at the Boise and Payette National Forest offices starting Monday. Cost is $10 and valid until Dec. 25.

Each permit allows one tree to be cut, and there is a limit of three per family. The maximum height of a permitted tree is 12 feet. Permits are valid for use on both forests and are for personal use only.

Christmas tree permits are available at these locations:

• New Meadows Ranger District Office, 3674 Highway 95, New Meadows. 208-347-0300.

• McCall Ranger District Office, 102 W. Lake St., McCall. 208-634-0400.

• Albertsons, 132 E. Lake St., McCall. 208-634-8166.

• C&M Lumber, 3625 Walker Lane, New Meadows. 208-347-3648.

• Cascade Ranger District, 540 N. Main St., Cascade. 208-382-7400.

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Making A Break

Forest Service project near Lake Cascade would help separate wildfires, homes

By Max Silverson For The Star-News November 16, 2017

Wendy Green doesn’t mind that the Forest Service is thinking about cutting trees and shrubs near her home. It would be a small price to pay to save her home in a wildfire.

Green was among those who recently toured an area on the west side of Lake Cascade where work is planned to slow down future wildfires.

The French-Hazard Wildland Urban Interface Project would take place on more than 6,000 acres of the Boise National Forest on the eastern slope of West Mountain between Hurd Creek and Moores Creek along West Mountain Road.

The project would also thin stands throughout the area that have become overgrown with brush and fast-growing fir species, Project Leader Jim Bishop of the Cascade Ranger District said.

The project contains 3,661 acres slated for commercial logging, 1,369 acres scheduled for thinning, 3,800 acres planned for controlled burns and 950 acres where equipment will chew up dense vegetation that could help a wildfire spread.

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BC YP SR Collaborative meeting December 14th


The next meeting for the collaborative will be held on December 14th at the EOC 10:00 am to 3:00 pm.

Melissa B. Hamilton
U of I Valley County Extension Educator
Community Development / Agriculture
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Pioneer Fire Recovery & Restoration Update


After a busy summer field season on the Boise National Forest, work continues on the Pioneer Fire area to recover and restore the landscape.

Improving Aquatic Habitat for Bull trout

Two Aquatic Organism Passages (AOPs) have been placed on the Lowman Ranger District’s Clear Creek Road (National Forest System road 582). These AOPs are replacing small culverts on Pole and Big Spruce Creek, opening up more than 3 miles of upstream habitat for bull trout and other aquatic species within the Clear Creek watershed.

Opening access to bull trout spawning habitat provides refuge for small fish to escape predators and protect them from being swept downstream from high flows and/or increased sediment from the burned landscape.

The AOPs, which look like large culverts, are multipurpose bottomless arches with two concrete footer walls sunk below the scour depth of the stream, engineered to replicate natural stream conditions. The structures are designed to safeguard the popular road from damaging debris flows blocking stream flows and minimize the risk from water overflowing on to the road bed.

These AOPs are vitally important for the Boise National Forest’s long term recovery efforts which are part of the Pioneer Fire’s Burned Area Emergency Response (BAER) assessment and supports the U.S. Fish and Wildlife’s bull trout recovery plan. Learn more about AOPs by watching the video:

Salvage Timber and Roadside Hazard Sales Status

Twelve salvage timber sales sold to reduce hazard trees in heavily used recreation areas are in various stages of operation from beginning to completion.

* Whoopum up and Upper Rock Salvage and Sunset Ski Roadside Hazard sales: completed.

* Upper Rock Creek Salvage and Pikes Fork Roadside Hazard sales: are expect completion mid-November.

* Crooked and Kempner Salvage and Banner Roadside Hazard sales: expected completion this winter barring extreme weather conditions.

* Upper Beaver and Lamar Salvage sales: just started with completion expected in the summer and fall 2018, respectively.

* Clear Creek Roadside Hazard sale: expected to begin mid-November with completion expected in 2018.

Two additional sales were advertised for bid Nov. 3, 2017:

* 393 Roadside Hazard and the Gold Fork West Salvage sales bid openings were scheduled for Nov. 15.

* 393 Roadside Hazard had an oral auction and Gold Fork West had a sealed bid.
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Barber Flat Bridge Open to Full-Size Vehicles

Boise, Idaho, November 17, 2017 Boise National Forest News Release

The Barber Flat Bridge located on the Idaho City Ranger District, National Forest System (NFS) Road 327 is now open to full size vehicles but will have load restrictions.

Recent improvements to the bridge have mitigated concerns, allowing the Forest to open the bridge to full-size vehicles. Load restrictions are posted and may impact heavy loads including logging and gravel transporting vehicles. Brett Barry, Boise National Forest civil engineer said “The structural improvements completed and future instream structure work will ensure the bridge functions for years to come.”

The Barber Flat bridge improvements have been classified into two phases. Phase one, which concluded this fall included new hardware, abutment improvements and additional monitoring. Phase two will begin during the fall of 2018, projected treatments include adding instream structures that divert channel flows which prevent future damage to abutments.

Recreationists are urged to use caution when traveling on NFS Road 376 from Alexander Flats to NFS Road 327. The road is a single lane road with turnouts that is maintained for high clearance vehicles. Winter weather may further impact road conditions in this area.
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2017 CuMo Exploration Project Supplemental Information Report is Now Available


Dear Interested Party,

This email is to inform you that the recently completed CuMo Exploration Project Supplemental Information Report (SIR) is now available on the New 2018 CuMo Exploration Project webpage ( under the Assessment Tab.

The new 2018 CuMo Exploration Project webpage will replace the original CuMo webpage. Key documents from the original webpage are being relocated to the new webpage under the Supporting Tab. The original webpage is still available at but due to this site being unstable most documents have been unpublished and are being relocated.

For additional information regarding the SIR, please contact Rick Wells, Forest Geologist, at 208-373-4136. For questions regarding the project webpages, please contact me directly. Thank you for your continued interest in this project.

Melissa Yenko
Forest Environmental Coordinator
Boise National Forest
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Idaho Trails Association on a roll; seeks new members to keep momentum

Rich Landers The Spokesman-Review Nov 126, 2017

A statewide non-profit outdoor service group is looking for more members to achieve its simple goal of keeping Idaho’s nonmotorized trails open and usable.

The Idaho Trails Association is looking for more members to join trail building and maintenance projects next season, said North Idaho resident and long-distance hiker Tom Dabrowski.

Founded in 2010, ITA volunteers have completed 21 projects in 12 parts of the state, he said. A total of 215 volunteers contributed more than 5,175 hours of field work time on 103 miles of trail, sawing more than 1,000 logs off the trails, fixing water bars, cutting back brush and repairing trail treads, he said.

The volunteers coordinate with government trails crews to spread out the work and cover more trails, he said.

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Last Chance to Comment on National Parks Massive Fee Increase

Western Slope No Fee Coalition 11/17/2017

In late October we alerted you to the National Park Service’s proposal to move to “surge pricing” during the most popular season at 17 popular parks. At those parks, the entrance fee during the most desirable time of year will at least double and nearly triple at some, to $70 per vehicle for a single visit.

Public comments are being taken only until November 23. Before you sit down with your family to give thanks this year, show your support for National Parks that are accessible to everyone by adding your voice to those of your fellow citizens!

Details here.
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USFS Regional Intermountain News

November 16, 2017


Critter News:

Pet Talk – Lipomas in Dogs

By Dr. Karsten Fostvedt Nov. 17, 2017 – IME

Lipomas are benign tumors that originate from fat cells. “Lip” in Latin stands for fat and “oma” stands for tumor. They are the most common tumor seen in dogs and are most common in overweight, middle-age to older dogs. The exact cause of the formation of these tumors is unknown. They are common in all breeds, but especially in Labrador retrievers.

Lipomas are well-defined, oval or round growths that exist and can be easily felt under the skin, or the subcutaneous area of the body. They usually feel soft and smooth, and can be easily moved around under the skin. Most occur on the trunk of the dog, especially under the chest. They can also occur on the legs and neck. They start off small, but can grow as large as an orange. Most lipomas do not cause any clinical signs. They are removed surgically for cosmetic reasons or if they occur in the joints of the dog and are causing gait abnormalities. In rare instances, lipomas can develop in the abdomen, chest or behind the eye. These lipomas can cause serious problems and must be removed surgically.

Lipomas can mimic other, more malignant tumors. Your vet will almost always want to stick a needle into the lipoma, aspirate a sample of cells and confirm that only fat cells are noted under the microscope. Biopsy of the tumor (taking a small sample of the tumor surgically) will also show that the tumor is benign.

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Want to live longer? Get a dog

Findings also suggest increased social well-being

Victoria Larned – CNN Nov 17, 2017

The benefits that come with owning a dog are clear– physical activity, support, companionship — but owning a dog could literally be saving your life

Dog ownership is associated with a reduced risk for cardiovascular disease and death, finds a new Swedish study published Friday in the journal Scientific Reports.

For people living alone, owning a dog can decrease their risk of death by 33% and their risk of cardiovascular related death by 36%, when compared to single individuals without a pet, according to the study. Chances of a heart attack were also found to be 11% lower.

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KWVR Oregon Wolf Education weekly Wolf Report

Second week of November 2017
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Environmental group sues for records of wolf killings

By Nicholas K. Geranios – 11/15/17 AP

Spokane, Wash. — An environmental group is suing the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife over its failure to release some public records on wolf deaths in the state.

The Center for Biological Diversity is seeking records about the killing of a wolf from the Smackout Pack this summer and the killing of nearly the entire Profanity Peak pack in 2016.

The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in Thurston County Superior Court.

Bruce Botka, a spokesman for the WDFW in Olympia, says the agency does not comment on the filing of legal complaints and had not reviewed the lawsuit yet with attorneys.

Wolves are listed as endangered by the state in the eastern third of Washington, where they are relatively abundant. They have federal endangered species protection in the western two-thirds of the state.

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Pro-wolf group from out-of-state hounds Washington with lawsuits

Rich Landers The Spokesman-Review Nov 16, 2017

An Arizona-based environmental group is suing the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife for access to some public records on wolf deaths in the state.

The Center for Biological Diversity is seeking records about the killing of a wolf from the Smackout Pack this summer and the killing of several animals in the Profanity Peak pack in 2016.

Lethal removal of some wolves was authorized by the agency director in those cases after preventative measures didn’t stop multiple wolf attacks on livestock. The attacks generally stopped after a few wolves were killed.

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Online quiz: Can you distinguish wolf from coyote?

Rich Landers The Spokesman-Review Nov 15, 2017

Oregon has posted an online quiz to help people – especially hunters – bone up on telling the difference between wolves and coyotes.

The quiz found at the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife website shows photos of the animals at various ages. As users are quizzed on their knowledge, the website offers tips on how to differentiate wolves from coyotes.

More than 16,000 people had taken the quiz in the first week after it was released this fall.

Wolves are still protected in both Oregon and Washington by state or federal rules. Coyotes are not protected and can be hunted.

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Wyoming game managers take public comment on grizzly bears

11/17/17 AP

Jackson, Wyo. — A Wyoming Game and Fish Department public meeting on how to manage grizzly bears in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem drew comments and ideas from hunting guides who perceive there are too many grizzly bears and environmentalists insistent that Jackson Hole should remain a hunting-free sanctuary.

About 100 people attended the meeting Wednesday night when they were asked their thoughts on population monitoring, research, conflict management, information and education and grizzly bear hunting.

The comments and ideas voiced included prohibiting grizzly bear hunting until the Yellowstone region’s bears are connected with the grizzly bear population in northwest Montana; requiring wildlife managers to tell the public where tracked grizzlies are in real time when the bears venture into well-used areas; and requiring that meat from a hunted grizzly bear can’t be wasted, the Jackson Hole News & Guide reported.

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Landowner uses tractor to ‘totally’ disable elk poacher’s pickup

Rich Landers The Spokesman-Review Nov 14, 2017

A landowner used a tractor to “disable” a pickup belonging to elk poachers trespassing on his property in Pierce County on Nov. 11, 2017. (Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife)

Public sentiment is clearly behind the landowner who used his tractor to, shall we say, immobilize the pickup of elk poachers who were trespassing.

Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife police are hesitant to say that’s the proper way to respond. There could be consequences.

But for now, the WDFW report on Facebook is chalking up a lot of fans for the Pierce County man who went out into the night to make sure the poachers didn’t get away.

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Spokane man, brother cited for trophy elk poaching in Montana

Rich Landers The Spokesman-Review Nov 16, 2017

A Spokane man and his twin brother have been charged with 16 crimes involved with the illegal killing of eight bull elk in what Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks officials describe as years of poaching activity on a Fergus County ranch.

James Stephen Page, of Garneill, Mont., and William Thomas Page, of Spokane, Wash., both 32, are accused of illegally harvesting eight bull elk over several years on the 3 Bar Ranch, which is on the west side of the Snowy Mountains, southwest of Lewistown, agency spokesman Bruce Auchly reports today.

The case involves eight felony charges. If convicted, the brothers could lose for life their hunting and fishing privileges in Montana, and possibly other states, and face thousands of dollars in fines.

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Bald eagles’ annual gathering begins at Lake Coeur d’Alene

Rich Landers The Spokesman-Review Nov 16, 2017

A bald eagle snatches a spawning kokanee from the Wolf Lodge Bay area of Lake Coeur d’Alene. (Jerry Rolwes)

Kokanee are spawning and dying in North Idaho’s two largest lakes and bald eagles have begun congregating for the annual feast.

Dozens of eagles are congregating at Granite Creek and in the Bayview shoreline area to take advantage of revived kokanee fisheries in Lake Pend Oreille.

Lake Coeur d’Alene is more accessible and better known for the eagles that congregate from November into January to feast on the kokanee — land-locked sockeye salmon — spawning in Wolf Lodge Bay.

The number of eagles varies from year to year, with 31 adult (white-headed) eagles and 6 immatures counted today in the first weekly survey of the eagle season by Carrie Hugo, U.S. Bureau of Land Management wildlife biologist.

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Sage grouse policy moving back to square one as decade of collaboration questioned

Rich Landers The Spokesman-Review Nov 13, 2017

Federal scientists and land managers who’ve been crafting strategies to protect a ground-dwelling bird’s habitat across the American West for nearly two decades are going back to the drawing board under a new Trump administration edict to reassess existing plans condemned by ranchers, miners and energy developers.

Here’s more in a report from Associated Press reporter Scott Sonner, who’s covered some of the public meetings related to the review.

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Idaho Man Lands Near-Record Fish And An Even Better Story From The Boise River

By James Dawson Nov 17, 2017 Boise State Public Radio

It’s a near-miss lunker. Jason Waidelich had the catch of a lifetime on the Boise River this month when he hooked a rainbow trout that weighed a whopping 19.25 pounds.

“My adrenaline was pumping, I couldn’t breathe. It was pure shock,” Waidelich told KTVB. “The only time I’ve ever seen a trout that big is in the aquariums at Cabela’s.”

The 32-inch long monster was just shy of the state record held by Michelle Larsen-Williams, set in 2009. She hooked her 20-pound, 34.25-inch long rainbow on the Snake River in 2009.

Idaho Fish and Game biologist John Cassinelli agrees. “That’s pretty insane from the Boise River.”

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The Columbia Basin Bulletin

Weekly Fish and Wildlife News
November 17, 2017
Issue No. 852
Table of Contents

* IDFG Making Progress On Fixing Water Chemistry Issues Impacting Snake River Sockeye Hatchery Smolt Survival

* Colder, Wetter, Snowier Now Forecasted For Upcoming Winter; La Nina Conditions May Hang Around Until April

* Council Hears Presentation On How California’s Booming Renewables Affecting BPA Revenues

* Council Directs Cost Efficiency Savings To More Funds For Hatchery, Fish Diversion Improvements

* Corps Seeks Comment On Willamette Valley Reservoir Storage Reallocation Draft Study

* Corps Awards $6.2 Million Contract To ODFW To Operate Bonneville Fish Hatchery

* Western Governors Seek Clarification On Interior’s Plans To Prevent Spread Of Invasive Mussels

* Montana Supreme Court Upholds Salish-Kootenai Tribes Water Rights Compact

* Federal Climate Science Report For U.S. Released, Projects Trends In Temperature, Precipitation, Sea-Level Rise

* Petty Nominated For Interior Assistant Secretary Overseeing Bureau Of Reclamation, USGS

Fish & Game News:

Don’t improperly dump your big game carcasses

By Phil Cooper, Wildlife Conservation Educator
Tuesday, November 14, 2017

Proper disposal keeps you out of trouble and eliminates problems for others

When you’re done butchering a big-game animal, there’s usually bones, hide and other inedible parts that should be double-bagged, securely tied, and put out with your household waste for garbage collection.

Hunters are required to remove and care for all of the edible meat from hindquarters as far down as the hock, the shoulders as far down as the knee, and meat along the backbone. There is also a lot of meat in the neck and covering the ribs that make good ground or stew meat.

When you take your harvested animal to a professional meat processor, you can deliver the clean carcass and your work is done. Perhaps the best part of paying a professional meat processor is the shop disposes of the bones for you.

When hunters do the processing themselves, there is a pile of bones, hide, and a head that need to be disposed of. If you’re quartering the animal in the field and in a remote area, these will be cleaned up by scavengers in short order.

If you bring an animal out whole and need to dispose of the inedible remains, a transfer station will accept animal carcasses for no charge from residents who live within that county who pay the solid waste disposal fee.

When disposing of game animals, hunters should consider the consequences of their actions. It only takes one improperly dumped and highly visible carcass to generate strong negative reactions from the public.

Unwanted big game carcasses that end up on the side of the road or other visible areas become eyesores and public health issues. They can even be hazardous because they attract dogs and scavengers, which become dangers to drivers who swerve to avoid hitting them.

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Biologists think they’ve found answers to low survival of sockeye salmon

By Roger Phillips, Public Information Specialist
Thursday, November 16, 2017

Sockeye runs have improved since the 1990s, but biologists want better survival of young fish and more returning adults

Idaho Fish and Game’s sockeye recovery program has overcome many challenges in preserving the species, and scientists are continuing to learn and improve as they transition from staving off extinction to growing Idaho’s sockeye population.

Fish and Game’s Assistant Fisheries Chief Paul Kline said F&G biologists think they’ve answered a nagging question about its relatively new sockeye hatchery in Springfield. The hatchery succeeded in raising lots of young sockeye, but the fish have survived poorly after being released to migrate to the Pacific.

Biologists found differences in water hardness between Springfield Hatchery in Southeast Idaho where the fish are raised from eggs and Redfish Lake Creek near Stanley where they’re released. Differences in water chemistry between the two waters may be adding stress to fish that are already stressed from “smoltification” – a period when they migrate downstream and their bodies transition from freshwater to saltwater.

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International Effort Slows Invasive Bullfrogs

By Michael Lucid, Wildlife Regional Biologist
Wednesday, November 8, 2017

Northern leopard frog numbers have declined dramatically in the northern portion of their range to the point there is only a single known natural population left in all of British Columbia or northern Idaho.

An international team of biologists has been working hard to prevent the northward movement of invasive bullfrogs toward British Columbia’s Creston Wildlife Management Area where that last leopard frog colony resides. Biologists on both sides of the border are using a promising new technique called ‘electrofrogging’ to remove, then euthanize, bullfrogs from small ponds.

Bullfrogs spread disease, outcompete native amphibians, and eat most anything in their path. Working together to slow the spread of bullfrogs is not only protecting the Creston leopard frog colony but helping prepare Idaho’s Boundary-Smith Creek Wildlife Management Area for a major climate adaptation restoration project which will benefit six climate sensitive Species of Greatest Conservation Need.

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Idaho agency denies sex discrimination lawsuit allegations

By Keith Ridler – 11/14/17 AP

Boise, Idaho — The Idaho Department of Fish and Game is asking that a federal sex discrimination lawsuit be dismissed and that any recordings made by the former employee not be allowed as evidence.

The 8-page document filed Monday also asks that Fish and Game receive attorney fees.

The lawsuit filed last month in U.S. District Court seeking $100,000 in damages includes an allegation that a male supervisor threatened to strangle the female employee with an extension cord.

Fish and Game denies that ever took place.

The lawsuit also says the woman made recordings to back up some of her claims.

Fish and Game contends those recordings are illegal and should not be allowed as evidence, and the woman’s claim barred as a matter of public policy.

A ruling is pending.

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F&G News Releases

Fun Critter Stuff:

Badger discovered asleep in cat bed in Linlithgow

BBC News Oct 19, 2017

A sleepy badger was caught napping in a cat bed in a house in Linlithgow.

The badger entered the kitchen through a cat flap and filled up on cat food before going to sleep in the soft bed.

The Scottish SPCA was called to the house at Beecraigs Country Park on Wednesday and an officer was able to persuade the badger to leave of its own accord.

The charity said it was unusual behaviour for badgers, which are usually shy animals, to enter a home.

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Seasonal Humor:


Tips & Advice:

Space heater safety

Tristan Lewis Nov 03, 2017 Local News 8

Idaho Falls, Idaho – As temperatures begin to drop, many of us are starting to bring out our space heaters.

Home heating fires account for 16% of structure fires in America.

Space heaters are rated for indoor use and should only be operated according to the owner’s manual, and be UL listed with tip-over shut off protection. Use of space heaters should only be temporary and are unsafe for prolonged periods.

All heat sources require at least 3 feet of clear space around them. Keep children, animals and any combustible materials away from heat sources.


Idaho History Nov 19

1930’s Big Creek / Edwardsburg

1930 Mules at the Werdenhoff property

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Date: 1930
A corral of mules congregate near a log cabin on the Werdenhoff property. A man stands near them.
William Allen Stonebraker Photographs
source: Stonebraker Photograph Collection, University of Idaho Library Digital Initiatives
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1930 Census

(Marked as “Edwardsburg Mining District”, crossed off, then “Warrens Precinct” written in then crossed off and finally “South Fork Precinct” written in. Probably includes part of South Fork and Main Salmon River. This is from sheets 3 and 4 of the South Fork Precinct 1930 Idaho Census.)

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Name Gender Age Marital Status Relationship to Head Birth Year Birthplace

Claude M Taylor Male 43 Married Head 1887 Colorado
Elsie L Taylor Female 34 Married Wife 1896 Idaho
Robert B Joy Male 36 Widowed Head 1894 Texas
Zona V Joy Female 13 Single Daughter 1917 Idaho
Sidney R Joy Male 10 Single Son 1920 Idaho
Faith D Joy Female 8 Single Daughter 1922 Idaho
Frank Adair Male 71 Divorced Lodger 1859 Illinois
David Lewis Male 86 Single Head 1844 Illinois
Charles L Myers Male 70 Single Head 1860 Pennsylvania
Allan Stonebraker Male 48 Married Head 1882 California
Golda M Stonebraker Female 30 Married Wife 1900 Missouri
Adolph Stonebraker Male 13 Single Stepson 1917 Missouri
James Stanley Male 38 Single Head 1892 Tennessee
Mack C Musgrove Male 54 Married Head 1876 Missouri
Mary L Musgrove Female 49 Married Wife 1881 Missouri
Thomas Coski Male 32 Single Head 1898 Idaho
Samuel Hoppin Male 70 Single Head 1860 Oklahoma
Granville F Eyerman Male 34 Married Head 1896 Colorado
Clair K Eyerman Female 34 Married Wife 1896 Colorado
Chester R Eyerman Male 15 Single Son 1915 California
Albert H Vaux Male 30 Single Head 1900 Pennsylvania
Theodore Manersberger Male 54 Single Head 1876 Germany
William C Cooper Male 59 Single Head 1871 Oregon
John Becker Male 50 Single Head 1880 Pennsylvania
Earl K Parrott Male 63 Single Head 1867 Vermont
Ella Irwin Female 64 Married Head 1866 Missouri
Arline B Bunnell Female 12 Single Servant 1918 Michigan
Patrick H Irwin Male 27 Married Head 1903 Nebraska
Catherine V Irwin Female 21 Married Wife 1909 New Jersey
Patricia V Irwin Female 0 Single Daughter 1930 Idaho
William Berden Male 67 Single Head 1863 Ohio
Ruben J Lehman Male 36 Single Head 1894 Sweden
Charles H Custis Male 56 Divorced Employee 1874 Oklahoma
Lewis A Thompson Male 54 Married Head 1876 Missouri
Glenn Thompson Male 21 Single Son 1909 Idaho
William P Wilson Male 63 Single Employee 1867 Missouri
Joseph Parks Male 52 Single Head 1878 North Carolina
William J Newman Male 49 Married Head 1881 Iowa
Grace Newman Female 42 Married Wife 1888 Idaho
Arthur W Newman Male 18 Single Son 1912 Idaho
Adrian Carlson Male 66 Single Head 1864 Sweden
Roy C Romine Male 38 Married Head 1892 Montana
Irene Romine Female 26 Married Wife 1904 Washington
Albert Romine Male 2 Single Son 1928 Idaho
Margaret Romine Female 0 Single Daughter 1930 Idaho
Frank Williams Male 69 Single Head 1861 Missouri
Ellis C Winchester Male 64 Divorced Head 1866 Pennsylvania
Polly Berris [Bemis] Female 77 Widowed Head 1853 China
Thaddius Adams Male 51 Divorced Head 1879 Colorado
Harold Adams Male 19 Single Son 1911 Idaho
John M Condon Male 55 Widowed Head 1875 New York

source for sheet #3
source for sheet #4

from page 2 South Fork Precinct

William A Edwards Male 60 Married Head 1870 Georgia
Annie N Edwards Female 58 Married Wife 1872 Alabama
Napier A Edwards Male 31 Single Head 1899 Maryland
Anthony L Ladwick [Ludwig?] Male 78 Widowed Head 1852 Germany
Frank Lobear Male 45 Married Head 1885 Minnesota
Myrtle I Lobear Female 31 Married Wife 1899 Illinois
Leslie F Lobear Male 4 Single Son 1926 Washington
Joseph Davis Male 60 Single Head 1870 Washington
Harold Vassar Male 30 Single Head 1900 Idaho
Edward White Male 36 Married Head 1894 Iowa
Erik Janson [Jensen] Male 66 Single Head 1864 Finland
Jacob Janson [Jensen] Male 56 Single Brother 1874 Finland
Ernest E Elliott Male 39 Single Head 1891 Idaho
Oliver Pierce Male 42 Divorced Head 1888 Idaho
Charles Ekler Male 68 Single Boarder 1862 Germany
Theodore Taylor Male 28 Married Head 1902 Idaho
Eva Taylor Female 22 Married Wife 1908 Idaho
Walter A Estep Male 41 Single Head 1889 Pennsylvania
Charles Mahan Male 71 Divorced Head 1859 Iowa

source for sheet #2
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Dan LeVan on Elk Summit

Photo thanks to Jim McCoy
(see more McCoy family photos here)
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You could not drive a vehicle to Big Creek until the Thirties, and even then you had to come in over Elk Summit, down Smith Creek then up the wagon road to Big Creek. There was no road between Big Creek and Edwardsburg until the 1930’s. The road between Yellow Pine and Edwardsburg was built in 1933.
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Dog team hauling mail to the Big Creek country in 1929

Photo courtesy of Margaret and Ken Twiliger
Photo from “The Middle Fork and the Sheepeater War” by Johnny Carrey and Cort Conley – copyright 1977
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Valley County Fault Map

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Big Creek / Edwardsburg 1936

(excerpted from) Geology and Ore Deposits Near Edwardsburg and Thunder Mountain, Idaho by Shenon, P.J. and C.P. Ross, 1936, Idaho Bureau Mines and Geology Pamphlet 44


This report embodies preliminary results of detailed studies carried on in the Thunder Mountain district and in the general vicinity of Edwardsburg in 1933 and 1934 by PJ Shenon, assisted by G.D. Emigh, together with data obtained by C.P. Ross in a brief visit to the Thunder Mountain district in 1926 and a month’s reconnaissance in the eastern division of the Idaho National Forest in 1929. …


All of the mining people who were met in the course of the field work gave information and assistance freely. Messrs. W.A. Edwards, Henry Abstein, F.C. Innes, A.F. Richards, James Hornberger, Walter Estep, A.C. Behne, Sam Wilson, Tony Ludwig, and N.G. Bush, of the Edwardsburg district, and D.C McRae, Robert McRae, C.W. Neff, William Timm, Samuel Hancock, and J.J. Oberbillig, of the Thunder Mountain district, spent considerable time and energy in assisting the writers.


Much of the area described in this report is relatively inaccessible, largely because of its ruggedness and severe winter climate. However, in recent years new roads have improved transportation facilities greatly.

A serviceable road now connects a branch of the Oregon Short Line Railroad at Cascade with Yellow Pine and Stibnite, respectively 70 and 84 miles distant. Until 1935(?) the only road into the Edwardsburg district was that from McCall by way of Warren. This road, which crosses several very high summits and deep canyons, is 84 miles long and is usually closed by snow from some time in October to about the middle of July. In 1933 a road was completed from Yellow Pine to Edwardsburg, which much facilitated access and lowered the freight costs considerably. In 1934 the Forest Service began building a road down Big Creek. This is to connect with another road started from Stibnite, which was completed as far as the head of Monumental Creek in 1934 and presumably will be continued down Monumental Creek through the Thunder Mountain district in the near future. A road down the Salmon River is also under construction and appears to promise the best all-year outlet for several of the mining districts when branch roads are built up the larger tributaries.

In recent years airplanes have been used to a considerable extent for winter travel and for carrying mail. There are now landing fields at Yellow Pine, Stibnite, Edwardsburg, Chamberlain Basin, and Soldier Bar.

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Gold deposits of the Edwardsburg district


The Trigold property is across Big Creek and about 1 1/2 miles north west of Profile Gap and is reached by a trail that gains over 1,200 feet in altitude between the crossing at Big Creek and the mine workings. The hillside up which the trail passes has a slope of 30 to 40 degrees. The property was located in the seventies, but, so far as known, little or no ore has been shipped from it. In 1933 it was being prospected by the Lori Syndicate of San Francisco.

Moscow (Moore) mine

The Moscow group of claims, including those of Tony Ludwig, embraces 16 or more claims on the east slope of Moores Creek, 5 miles southwest of Edwardsburg … The first claims were located in 1902 by Si Boyles, who sold them to E. Moore in 1903. Moore constructed a 1-stamp mill in 1903 and for several years ran ore through it which he mined from a glory hole. Later Seeley B. Mudd and associates purchased the property, but in 1934 it was under option to the Lori Syndicate of San Francisco. The production of the property, about $9,000, came almost entirely from the small 1-stamp mill operated by Moore.

Golden Way Up

The Golden Way Up claims are on the ridge between Fall Creek and the North Fork of Logan Creek. Most of the workings are on the North Fork slope. The property is about 6 miles by road and trail west of Edwardsburg. The trail, which gains an altitude of 1,500 feet in about 2 miles, joins the Edwardsburg road at the mouth of the North Fork, near Tony Ludwig’s cabin.

The Golden Way Up was first located by Charles Crown in 1899. John Campion, C.S. McKenzie, and others, did considerable development work after 1908, but the property was later abandoned. It was relocated by George Laufer and Joe Davis in 1908 and is now owned by Davis. The development work consists of several tunnels, probably 1,000 feet or more in total length. They range from 30 to over 300 feet in length and are nearly all accessible.


The Dixie group (formerly the Goldman & McRae property) adjoins the Golden Way Up on the north. The claims extend across the divide between Logan and Government creeks. They are owned by the Copper Camp Mining Company, Inc.


The Independence property comprises ten patented claims on upper Smith Creek a short distance east of Elk Summit. The road from Edwardsburg to Warren crosses the property. …

Dan McRae located the Independence in 1898 and sold it to the Kansas and Texas Oil & Mining Company in 1901. The property is now owned by the Independence Mines & Power Company with offices in Topeka, Kansas.

Werdenhoff and Pueblo

The Werdenhoff property is on Smith Creek about 5 miles from its junction with Big Creek. A poor road 6 1/2 miles long connects the mine with the Warrens road near Elk Summit. A road was constructed up Smith Creek from Big Creek in 1933, so that the mine can now be reached from Yellow Pine by way of Edwardsburg and the Big Creek ranger station.

According to the 34th Annual Report of the Inspector of Mines for Idaho, 1932, the Werdenhoff group comprises 21 unpatented claims, which include part of the old Pueblo group. In 1933, the Werdenhoff property was not operating, although a well-constructed camp was maintained as a convenience to facilitate the road work and for handling supplies on the way to the Golden Hand mine, 2 miles north-east. Nothing appears to have been done at the Pueblo mine for years, and the tunnels seen are so caved that little was learned regarding it.

The Werdenhoff property was first located by Prindle [Pringle?] Smith, but was relocated during the Thunder Mountain boom by Mr. Werdenhoff. Most of the work was done on the property by the Keystone Mines Company after 1927. In 1933, the property was under the management of the Golden Hand, Inc.

Golden Hand, Inc.

The group owned by the Golden Hand, Inc., including the Old Neversweat, contains 26 unpatented claims. The property is near the head of Cache Creek, 6 miles by road north east of the Werdenhoff. The road is very steep in places and crosses a divide at an altitude of about 8,300 feet. A good camp has been constructed at the mine, and in 1933 a small Straub mill with a daily capacity of 6 tons was being operated.

Gold Deposits near Ramey Ridge

Ramey Ridge, on the north side of Big Creek between Ramey and Beaver creeks, is one of the widely mineralized areas in the region. It contains many prospects, but, although most of the deposits have long been known, there has been little development and almost no production, in part because of difficulty of transportation. Until 1934 the deposits were nearly a day’s trip by pack train beyond the end of the road. … The Arrastre (Mildred) group of five claims at the head of the east fork of Mulligan Creek, formerly owned by the late Walter Estep, is the best developed property on Ramey Ridge. … The Mahan property, on Mulligan Creek, has an old 5-stamp mill in dis-repair, a new hand-made, 1-stamp mill, and a few scattered short tunnels. The old mill is reported to have been operated for a short time on float ore picked up from the hillside below the Apex workings.

Arrastre (Mildred)

The Arrastre property is on Mulligan Creek, a tributary of Beaver Creek. In 1933, it was about 12 miles by trail from the nearest road at Big Creek headquarters, but in 1934 a road was under construction down Big Creek, which, when completed to the mouth of Beaver Creek, will shorten trail travel to about 3 miles. T.G. Thomas discovered the deposit in 1906, and it was known as the Mildred until after his death, when Walter Estep relocated it.

Jensen Group

The Jensen group of claims is on the north side of Crooked Creek about 5 miles above its confluence with Big Creek. It was located and has been developed up to the present time by two Jensen brothers, who came here during the Thunder Mountain boom. In the summer of 1929, equipment and supplies were brought to the property by pack train preparatory to an active campaign of development; in 1930, the mine was idle, but in 1933 and 1934 considerable development work was under taken.

When the property was visited in July, 1929, the new work had not yet started. There was a small, ingeniously constructed mill close to Crooked Creek and several short tunnels at intervals for several hundred feet vertically up the slope to the north. The principal working, high on this slope, was connected with a loading station in the gulch above the mill by a gravity tram.

Copper Camp

The property, which for many years has been known as Copper Camp, was located in 1888. It is on the north side of Big Creek about 9 miles from the Big Creek ranger station. The Copper Camp property, which comprises 18 quartz and 2 placer claims, is held by the Copper Camp Mining Company.


The placer deposits are all more or less related to glacial and interglacial streams, although re-sorting and additional concentration have taken place up to the present time. The deposits are largely in or near the Edwardsburg district.

Two properties, those of the Big Creek Gold Mines, Inc., and the Smith Creek Hydraulic Company, are the principal placer prospects of the region. In addition, some preliminary test-drilling has been done in the Chamberlain Basin, and numerous small-scale panning and sluicing operations have been undertaken along the beds and on numerous terraces of a number of streams.

The Big Creek Gold Mines, Inc., controls 480 acres of ground in the meadows of Big Creek south of Edwardsburg. In 1929, this ground was tested with the intention of installing a dredge if results warranted.

The Smith Creek deposit is on Smith Creek above its confluence with Big Creek. It comprises 19 placer claims, but until 1934 had been worked only to a very slight extent, because of the difficulties entailed in handling the many large boulders in the deposit. For part o the summer of 1934 C.E. Dinamore and associates worked the property with drag lines and trucks, but they also had difficulty in handling the boulders.

Economic Considerations

Parts of the extremely large and continuous mineralized zone in the Edwardsburg district have already been mined on a small scale, and it seems likely that as more information is obtained on the gold content further mining will be done, either by selective, small-scale mining methods or by large-scale, low-cost operations. … At the present time, more adequate sampling is needed along the mineralized zone. No deep testing has been done, and possibly drilling at certain favorable places would be the most effective manner to make preliminary tests.
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1937 Big Creek

Big Creek in 1937. Right to left: pool hall-bar, store, hotel, and house. The hotel, built by Dick Cowman, did a thriving business at the time because of extensive mining activity.
Photo from “The Middle Fork and the Sheepeater War” by Johnny Carrey and Cort Conley – copyright 1977
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Big Creek, Idaho in 1939

Photo from “Idaho Mountains Our Home” by Lafe and Emma Cox – Copyright 1977 by V.O. Ranch Books

by Emma Cox
EmmaCox-young-a“We arrived at Big Creek headquarters [March 1939] where Dick and Sophia Cowman operated a store, post office and hotel. I saw the ranger station and a Forest Service commissary building. We weighed our dogs, sled and ourselves with our load, which weighed 947 pounds for seven dogs.”

“The Cowmans had a milk cow and chickens, so they always had fresh milk and eggs to serve their customers. It was such good food. We all enjoyed our overnight stay there after our 32 mile [dogsled] ride.” pgs. 71-72

“After hunting season, [1939] we all made a trip to Boise with the two pickups for our supplies for six months: groceries, stock salt, grain and horseshoes. We had to buy a lot of flour, as we baked our own bread and pastries. Returning from Boise, we hauled the load as far as the Snowshoe Mine. From there everything had to be packed in by mules the six miles to Mile High.

“We ordered two truckloads of hay from Cascade to be delivered at Big Creek headquarters. But a big snowstorm came in, so the truck driver unloaded on top of the summit. It was snowing so hard he could not see to drive any farther. He went back for a second load.

“The next day the driver came in with the second load. It had snowed all night. He got as far up Profile as Camp Creek, where he spun out and slid off the road. He hurried to cut the ropes on the hay to keep the truck from turning over, but most of the hay landed in the creek. He did save his truck from going in or doing any damage.

“The storm continued, and some people were about to be snowed in. Stibnite Mine had a crew working on the head of Smith Creek on Dan McRae’s claims. They were all snowed in, so the mining company got their cat to open the road from Smith Creek to Big Creek and on over Profile Summit. There were 17 vehicles that needed to get back to Stibnite.

“We were behind with our team and bobsled, going on over the top after a load of the hay. Lafe had to use the team to help get some of the vehicles over the top.” pgs. 79-80

from “Idaho Mountains Our Home” by Lafe and Emma Cox – Copyright 1977 by V.O. Ranch Books
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1937 Big Creek Topo Map

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Topography by CA Stonesifar, Adolph Frankhauser, and RH McConnel Surveyed in 1935-1937

Road Report Nov 19

Note: Be prepared for winter driving this time of year, road conditions can change quickly. Be prepared for snow at high elevations and rocks/trees falling in the road. Please share road reports.

Yellow Pine: Our snow has melted some, now 1-2″ on the ground. Local streets are snow covered, icy in spots, and some bare spots. Click for Local Forecast

Warm Lake Highway: Big Creek Summit snowtel shows 31″ of snow. Probably has snow especially on the Cascade side of Big Creek summit.
Big Creek Summit SNOTEL station 6580′

Johnson Creek Road: Upper end closed at Landmark to wheeled vehicles for the winter. Lower Johnson Creek road was reported “terrible” on Nov 15. Pot holes and snow.
Johnson Creek Airstrip Webcam:
The elevation at Landmark is 6,630 feet

South Fork Road: No current report. Probably some snow at the upper end. Watch for rocks coming down.

EFSF Road: No current report. Probably has some snow. Watch for rocks coming down with the freeze thaw. Watch for pot holes.

Lick Creek: More than likely closed for winter to wheeled vehicles. Guessing there is over 2 feet of snow now. A report from Saturday (Nov 4) “Lick Creek summit was not passable today. Already 16 inches of snow on the flat before reaching the pass.” – J&N B

Note: Lick Creek Summit has an elevation of 6,877 feet

Profile Creek Road: Current condition unknown. More than likely closed for winter to wheeled vehicles. Probably over 2 feet of snow at the summit by now.
Note: The elevation at Profile summit is 7607 feet.

Yellow Pine to Stibnite: Open? (no current report.)

Stibnite to Thunder Mountain: Closed at Monumental summit with snow. Truck reported to be stuck for the winter on the other side.
Note: The elevation at Monumental Summit is 8590 feet.

Big Creek to Elk Summit to Warrens Road: Closed. This is the road that goes from Big Creek/Edwardsburg up over Elk Summer, down to the South Fork of the Salmon River by Trails End Subdivision, then over to Warrens. The current status on this road is unknown. Elk summit is probably snowed closed by now.
Note: Elk Summit is at an elevation of nearly 9000 feet.
Big Creek Webcam:

Report from Burgdorf Hot Springs Saturday (Nov 11) “Weekend Road Update: It’s a tough go up to the summit, according to the latest folks to make it up to Burgdorf. Since some folks have had to turn around because of the conditions, CHAINS or equivelant seem essential! A big thanks to everyone who have made the attempt to come up.”

Deadwood Summit: No current report. Deadwood snotel showing 43″ of snow.
Note: The Approx Elevation at Deadwood Summit is 6,883 feet (2,098 m)
Deadwood Summit SNOTEL station 6860′

Golden Gate Road: Closed.

Sugar Creek Road: Closed.

Weather Reports Nov 12-18

Nov 12 Weather:

At 1030am it was 33 degrees, partly cloudy – mostly hazy. Solid flat high overcast by noon. At 220pm it was 43 degrees and overcast. At 515pm it was 36 degrees and overcast. Snow melting back from objects. (Colorful sunset.) At 730pm spitting tiny flakes of snow (probably didn’t last long and no accumulation.)

NOAA Weather report:

Observation time November 13, 2017 at 10:30AM
Partly cloudy, light breeze
Max temperature 44 degrees F
Min temperature 25 degrees F
At observation 33 degrees F
Precipitation 0.00 inch
Snowfall 0.0 inch
Snow depth 2.5 inch
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Nov 13 Weather:

At 1030am it was 33 degrees, partly cloudy and light breeze. Clouds moved in and mostly cloudy by 1120am. At 215pm it was 47 degrees, cloudy and a “snow-eater” windy breeze. Started sprinkling before 5pm. At 530pm it was 39 degrees, and light sprinkle. Steady rain at 930pm. At 1130pm it was 34 degrees and pouring down rain. At 1230am it was 34 degrees and sort of foggy and misty. Raining pretty good at 130am. Probably done raining around 2am. Skiff of snow/graupel fell before morning.

NOAA Weather report:

Observation time November 14, 2017 at 10:30AM
Partly cloudy, light breeze
Max temperature 50 degrees F
Min temperature 32 degrees F
At observation 37 degrees F
Precipitation 0.29 inch
Snowfall Trace
Snow depth 2 inch
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Nov 14 Weather:

At 1030am it was 37 degrees, partly clear and light breeze. At noon it was mostly cloudy, light breeze. At 2pm it was 41 degrees and mostly cloudy/partly clear. At 530pm it was 33 degrees and almost clear.

NOAA Weather report:

Observation time November 15, 2017 at 10:30AM
High thin overcast, light breeze
Max temperature 42 degrees F
Min temperature 20 degrees F
At observation 30 degrees F
Precipitation 0.00 inch
Snowfall 0.0 inch
Snow depth 2 inch
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Nov 15 Weather:

At 1030am it was 30 degrees, high thin overcast, less than 2″ old snow on ground. Overcast at noon. At 2pm it was 45 degrees, dark clouds coming in from the south, and quite breezy. At 515pm it was 41 degrees and gray overcast, quite breezy. Very breezy evening. Just before 9pm it was 36 degrees and starting to sprinkle lightly. At 1230am it was 35 degrees and raining lightly. Sprinkling at 230am. Rain pounding on roof and window after 3am. Looks like it rained all night.

NOAA Weather report:

Observation time November 16, 2017 at 10:30AM
Low overcast, rain/snow mix
Max temperature 46 degrees F
Min temperature 30 degrees F <– yesterday morning
At observation 35 degrees F
Precipitation 0.43 inch
Snowfall Trace
Snow depth < 1 inch
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Nov 16 Weather:

At 1030am it was 35 degrees, low overcast, light breeze and rain/snow mix. Rained off a lot of snow last night, patchy ground cover. Back to rain, then mix then rain before 11am. Light rain at noon. Misting at 1pm. Snowing at 135pm. At 2pm it was 33 degrees, low clouds, light snow falling and light breeze. Not snowing at 230pm, probably drizzle. Not really raining at 4pm. Misting a little at 5pm. At 530pm it was 33 degrees and barely misting, low clouds. At 730pm it was snowing lightly. Still snowing lightly at 9pm, and starting to stick a little. At 1030pm still snowing, trace on the ground. At 1230am it was 32 degrees and heavy snow, between 1/2″ to 1″ accumulation. Still snowing hard at 130am. Not snowing at 530am.

NOAA Weather report:

Observation time November 17, 2017 at 10:30AM
Partly clear
Max temperature 35 degrees F
Min temperature 24 degrees F
At observation 30 degrees F
Precipitation 0.33 inch
Snowfall 4.0 inch
Snow depth 4 inch
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Nov 17 Weather:

At 1030am it was 30 degrees, partly clear and light breeze. 4″ of new snow. At 130pm it was 32 degrees. Little short snow flurry about 215pm. At 230pm it was 34 degrees, light chilly breeze and partly clear. Light snow falling just after 3pm for about 20 minutes. Partly cloudy at 5pm. At 545pm it was 23 degrees and almost clear, very cold light breeze. A few hazy stars out at 820pm. At 1215am it was 18 degrees.

NOAA Weather report:

Observation time November 18, 2017 at 10:30AM
High thin haze, filtered sun, lt. breeze
Max temperature 38 degrees F
Min temperature 14 degrees F
At observation 23 degrees F
Precipitation Trace
Snowfall Trace
Snow depth 2 inch
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Nov 18 Weather:

At 1030am it was 23 degrees, high hazy thin clouds, filtered sun and light cold breeze. At 230pm it was 38 degrees and partly cloudy, light cold breeze. At 530pm it was 24 degrees and clear, light cold breeze.

NOAA Weather report:

Observation time November 19, 2017 at 10:30AM
Almost clear, light breeze
Max temperature 40 degrees F
Min temperature 13 degrees F
At observation 21 degrees F
Precipitation 0.00 inch
Snowfall 0.0 inch
Snow depth 2 inch (1-2″, a few bare spots)

Pecan Pie Cookies


1 prepared single pie crust (homemade or purchased, I used Pillsbury)
2 tablespoons butter, melted
1/2 cup pecans, chopped
1/3 cup packed brown sugar
1/4 cup corn syrup
2 eggs
1/8 teaspoon salt


1/4 cup semi sweet or milk chocolate chip for decorating


Preheat oven to 400 degrees.

In a large non-stick pan, combine butter, pecans, brown sugar, corn syrup, salt and eggs. Cook on the stove top over medium-low heat just until thickened. (You don’t want it dry, just slightly thickened, about the consistency of pudding). Remove from heat and set aside.

Unroll dough and using a 3″ cookie cutter, cut out circles. Gently fold about 1/8-1/4″ up on the edges.

Spoon 1 tablespoon of the pecan mixture into each circle.

Place on a parchment lined pan (it’s important to line it) and bake 8 minutes or until filling is just set. Remove from oven and cool on a wire rack.

Place chocolate chips in a small Ziploc bag (use brand name, the store brands tend to leak). Microwave about 15 seconds or until mostly melted. Snip off a tiny corner of the baggie and drizzle chocolate over the cookies. Cool until set.

Nantucket Corn Pudding

Yield: 6-8 servings


8-10 ears fresh corn on the cob, or 5 cups canned corn, drained
2 large eggs
1 cup half and half
1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
1/8 teaspoon white pepper
Few grinds fresh nutmeg
3/4 cup crushed oyster crackers, divided (crush the crackers, then measure). Also see note above
3 tablespoons melted butter, divided
1/2 cup sharp cheddar cheese, shredded


Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.

Cut corn from cob if using fresh corn and scrape right down to the cob saving the liquid that scrapes off with the corn kernels. You should have about 5 cups. Set aside. (Alternately, drain 5 cups of canned corn.)

Butter a 9″ round or square 9 X 2 1/2″ deep casserole dish.

In a large bowl beat eggs, cream, salt, pepper and nutmeg.

Add corn, 1/2 cup of the cracker crumbs and 2 tablespoons of the melted butter.

Pour the mixture into the prepared pan.

Sprinkle all of the cheese over the top.

Mix the remaining cracker crumbs with the remaining butter and sprinkle over the top.

Dust with a little paprika.

Bake 45-50 minutes or until puffed and golden brown. The edges will be crispy and the center a bit loose.

Serve immediately.